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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 8, 2010 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Cartesian doubt - strap that on MS.

From what we saw of Daltrey up to that point, the slightest possibility of not being able to hit the scream (as broadcast) is enough to argue and conclude that he didn't.

But understanding that Cartesian doubt is a double edged knife that can (and does) cut both ways I simply fall back on Occam's Razor.

Subjective......but proof enough.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Occam's Razor - is that the one Peyton was trying to find so he could slice his wrist after Porter danced his way to a pick-6???

my opinion - Daltry started the scream, and knowing there was no way he could draw it out, technology did it for him. definitely not "completely" dubbed.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Just more opinions here (hey chill, guys, it's only rock and roll) - but the possibility that he did the scream but had a bit of technological enhancement seems to make sense.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 8, 2010 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

that's all i'm sayin ;) and there aint nothin wrong with that - lord knows some of my favorite Estimated's are ones in which Bobby's voice is remodulated to the audience's great delight :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 9, 2010 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Hey Dire and Ring-o; yep, that was my take as well...if they spliced in the original, almost as a sound effect, with that being the only vocal add-on, and he didn't actually "pretend" to be singing it (didn't see that part--but following Mando's comments, I assume this is the case), then I see it as just a nice historical "touch". I don't see it as the lip sync foul we'd all be pissed off by...

As I babbled on about down below, I guess I am in the minority that actually enjoyed it, and overall, though a very small sample time-wise, I'd rank the Who as well within the "middle" of the quality of the geezer circuit folks I've seen the past five years (not up there with Winwood or Clapton, but not down there with...ahem...Bob or VMorrison).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 9, 2010 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Tend to agree. My significant other goes crazy for Dylan; I go along and I enjoy it, but don't feel impassioned. Had the same reaction to Clapton a few years back - ain't the same as it was. Let's face it, they're fading away, these guys, if there was ever a young man's game it's rock and roll. Try to imagine what Jerry would be like today if he were actually still alive?! Especially you guys who think it was all downhill after 1968?! coming up on half a century ago.

We actually have the luxury of remembering forever a Jerry who died before he got old! The ones who didn't, are we going to sneer at them every time they show their faces in public until they die? (not directed at you all really, just the general sport of sneering at aging rock stars ...)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 9, 2010 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

....

hey rasta, where do i sign up for the Tancredo in 2012 campaign? I passed my literacy test.

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-02-09 17:41:15

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 9, 2010 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Can't speak to Clapton on his own, but as I gushed on and on last yr, with Winwood in the pseudo Bl Faith esque tour, I thought he was still great, and Winwood defn still has it vocally and playing wise, IMHO.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 9, 2010 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

Actually, I remember Jerry dying on stage in front of my eyes. Too fucked up to play an adequate Johny B Goode and croaking like he was on death's door - Pete T looked and sounded a million times better than the last time I saw Jerry in Charlotte in 95.

Re Clapton/Winwood - the shows at MSG and in San Jose were two of the best shows I've ever seen by anyone. Anyone that doubts Winwood is still playing (keys and guitar) and singing at the top of his game has NOT seen him live. Then again, it always helps to have Willie Weeks working in the "background" (WT will now agree).

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Feb 9, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

The body of work that Dylan leaves behind will out shine any grumblings I have w/ him as a preformer. For me the same can be said of Townshend. The Who aside, Pete will be remembered for his songwriting not his guitar prowess. I'm sure not many will agree with me, For sure his shtick involved acrobatics and a fair share of destruction, but at the end of the day, it will be his body of work done in the studio that he hopefully will be judged , ( and not the geriatric preformance at the super bowl).
Clapton has been a hard nut for me to crack, His journey into the blues sorta left me at the crossroads (to steal a metaphor haha). He always seemed to play the stuff in its traditional sense, and if interested I would always search out the source. But his brillance in Cream, Traffic and his collaborations w/ other musicans Duane, Pete, George will more than keep me happy in between his endless releases of blues material.
And Jerry well thats my m*****f****** there and I miss him, It's difficult to listen to his last few years........

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 9, 2010 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

I agree with you
Clapton was the first rock concert I ever went to, but I guess 1974 can't be judged against 2005 (the two times I saw Clapton).

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Feb 8, 2010 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

"Daltrey looked scared shitless as if the Sword of Damocles was about to fall."

you're original post doesn't add up, why would he be "scared shitless" if he knew it was a dub coming up anyways? and why would the camera flashing to pan the stadium be any proof? he could have easily faked the scream on camera as well as off

the scream was "not bad", completely consistent with what preceded (also noticed Daltrey had some difficulty singing the only 2 lines following, also consistent) if they resorted to dubs they probably would have also resorted to auto-pitch adjusters (which they obviously didn't)

the song, "Baba O'Riley" is a reference to Meyer Baba and Terry Riley

"subjective" (?) sorry i misunderstood your post, now it is clear it was only your view and as much as i appreciate all the opinions expressed here for what they are, self substantiation with further opinions is proof of nothing


"strap on", are you really sure you want to open up that can of worms?

glass houses...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 8, 2010 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Halftime show

MS -

Put aside your pedantry and don't take yourself so seriously.

There is no "can of worms" to open, so virtual idle threats are utterly worthless - you'll just be tossed into the bin with the other folks who will be forever ignored in here.

And that would probably suck for me because everyone knows something I don't and I usually enjoy learning from them - yourself included.

With the exception of the aforementioned bin of worthless knot heads.

Looks like I touched your Who nerve. I thought they sucked.

Can we be done now?